When All Else Fails... (16-17 LP)

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Genre Punk Jazz, Industrial
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Producer 16-17
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When All Else Fails... (16-17 album)
When All Else Fails...

When All Else Fails... is the second vinyl LP by 16-17, released in 1989 through Vision. [1] It is the second full-length vinyl album of the band.



The Dusted Magazine writer Doug Mosurock reviews: "By the time of 1989’s When All Else Fails LP, 16-17 had become, unbelievably, even more aggressive, this time as a result of Kneubühler adding new technologies and a whole palette of unconventional sound-generating devices to his setup. The approach here is positively industrial at times, as on “Pedestrian Dub,” where sax and guitar are infused with enveloped, processed barbs that make each bleat and downstroke sound like wavering sheet metal, and Remond’s shell tones all the more alien. The cyclic rhythms of their earlier work reappear on “Who Planned All This?” and “Clap Trap,” but the rictus of dance rhythms and the drive to innovate moved the band beyond earlier works..." [2]

Track listing

All music is composed by 16-17 Alex Buess, Markus Kneubühler, Knut Remond

LP Side A = Title 1-3, LP Side B= Title 4-6).

1."Sneak Preview"4:30
2."Pedestrian Dub"7:17
3."Browbeaten Beat"6:59
4."Who Planned All This?"6:29
5."Clap Trap"5:06
6."Spit It Out!"6:03


Adapted from the When All Else Fails... LP liner notes. Musicians:

Release history

Europe 1989Vision Vinyl LP Vision 27

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  1. "16-17 - When All Else Fails..." www.discogs.com.
  2. "Dusted Reviews: 16-17 + Hardkore & Buffbunker / When All Else Fails..." www.dustedmagazine.com.