Leslie Fish

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Leslie Fish
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Background information
Born1953
New Jersey, United States
Genres Folk, filk
Occupation(s)Musician, author, writer
Years active1975–present

Leslie Fish is an American folk musician, author, and anarchist political activist. [1]

Contents

Music

Along with The DeHorn Crew, Fish created the first commercial filk recording in 1976, Folk Songs for Folk Who Ain't Even Been Yet. [2] Her second recording, Solar Sailors (1977) included the song "Banned from Argo", a comic song parodying Star Trek which has since spawned over 100 variants and parodies. [3] [4] She recorded the comic song "Carmen Miranda's Ghost", which was the source for the short story anthology Carmen Miranda's Ghost Is Haunting Space Station Three, edited by Don Sakers (in which she has one story and the notes on the song). Her song "Hope Eyrie" is regarded by some as being as close to the anthem of American science fiction fandom as is possible in such a disparate group. [5] [6] [7]

Fish often weaves Pagan and anarchist themes into her music. She has also set music to many poems by Rudyard Kipling. She is a popular guest at science fiction conventions, and she can often be seen at the large filksings with her distinctive 12-string guitar, "Monster", which Leslie says plays best when it is given good Scotch whisky.

Film

She sings (and makes several appearances) in the film Finding the Future: A Science Fiction Conversation, [8] [9] which makes extensive use of her music. She was interviewed and performed in Trekkies 2 .

Political activism

Fish has been involved with numerous political causes, most notably anti-war activism during the Vietnam War, and was a longtime member of the Industrial Workers of the World, a fact referred to in several of her songs (e.g., "Wobblies from Space", "Leslie's Filks"). She is also well known as a gun-rights activist, and has asserted that private gun ownership is the only true protection of individual freedom (a topic touched on in several of her songs). [1] [10] Because of her distrust of the stability of modern society, she has in the past worked to organize groups for carrying on civilization after what she (at one time at least) considered the imminent collapse of the current society. Her album Firestorm was in large part meant as a set of instructions for surviving a nuclear war, on the reasoning that it would be easier to recall them if they were in lyric form.

On anarchism, Fish says: "What sort of anarchist future would I like to see? There's no reason for a government-free society to be nothing but agrarian, no reason at all that it couldn't be industrial and space-faring." [11]

The character "Jenny Trout" in the science fiction novel Fallen Angels by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn is clearly meant to be Fish, although Trout is portrayed as a Marxist. [12]

Other activities

In addition to her work as a folk artist, Fish is also well known within the Star Trek fan community for her works of fan fiction, which include "Shelter" (1976), one of the first Kirk/Spock stories ever published, and the fan-published Star Trek novel The Weight. In Textual Poachers , a landmark study of fan communities, MIT's Henry Jenkins described Fish's anarchist-feminist Star Trek novel The Weight as a 'compelling narrative' 'remarkable in the scope and complexity of its conception, the precision of its execution, and the explicitness of its political orientation.'" [13] Fish has also written original novels and short stories, both alone and in collaboration with C. J. Cherryh and others. Fish's song, "Carmen Miranda's Ghost is Haunting Space Station Three," inspired a collection of short stories with the same title, edited by Don Sakers and featuring stories by Cherryh and Anne McCaffrey.

Fish is an avid roleplaying gamer, especially live-action role playing, or LARPing. She has also been a member in the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA) since the 1970s. Since 2007, [14] she has been the driving force behind the establishment of Fan Haven, a 230-acre (93 ha) private park in Arizona meant to serve as a safe space for LARPers, Pagans, naturists, SCAdians, and other marginalized groups associated with fandom. [15] [16] [17] However, representatives of the federal government have disputed the validity of the mining claim that she proposed to use to establish ownership.[ citation needed ]

While Fish rarely discusses her private life, she was in a romantic relationship with anarchist political activist Mary Frohman "from the late '60s through the early '80s." [13] Together they were part of the Dehorn Crew, the house band for the IWW. Fish has often asserted that bisexuality is the human norm, and that the pervasive sexual repression she sees in current society causes many of the current social ills. She married long-time friend Robert "Rasty Bob" Ralston on November 13, 2011. [18]

One of Fish's personal projects is an ongoing attempt to breed domestic cats for intelligence and other traits, including polydactyly. She claims that her cats are about as intelligent as a six-year-old human child, except in regards to symbolic language. [19]

Since 2013, Fish and Ralston have been working to develop a rare and endangered species orchard, according to a post written on Fish's own blog. [20]

Controversy

Fish has come under fire for repeatedly posting unsubstantiated claims about the transgender community and the psychology of transgender people and the process of transitioning, including gender affirming care for children, transition surgery, and the medical science behind gender, identity, child psychology and gender affirming care for adolescents and adults. Her claims are usually supported by anecdotal evidence, false equivalencies, consensus bias, mind projection fallacies, misinformation and presumptions.

On June 3rd, 2023, Fish posted "Random Thoughts on the Transgender Craze", in which she anecdotally discusses attempting as a child to manipulate her parents with the claim that she would commit suicide if her desire for candy was not met.

'I remember, when I was five years old and seriously wanted some candy, saying to the parents: "Give me the candy or I'll kill myself, and then you'll be sorry."  All that won for me was a quick brisk spanking and then being locked in my room until I quit howling.  After howling for awhile and getting no result, I gave it up and -- I remember clearly -- thinking to myself: "Well, that didn't work."  ' [21]

Fish goes on to claim, without any substantiation, that her experience as a manipulative child, being universal to all children, is the motive behind children seeking gender-affirming care. Later in the same blog, Fish, again anecdotally, relates a tale of an elementary field trip to a library in which a teacher and her class are confronted with a Drag Story hour:

"I know a whore when I see one, and male or female, that was a whore.  You cannot have whores in the library, crooning at children and petting them and cuddling them on her -- or his -- lap.  Never mind 'grooming';  that is seduction, and it has no place anywhere near our children."  The librarian burst into tears and cried elaborately about 'tolerance', but the cops looked at each other and allowed that the teacher had a point.

The entry concludes with a third vague anecdote of an unpermited Pride parade in which attendees discover a lack of blocked off route or any planning. Fish states that marchers tried the patience of drivers by blocking traffic, reacted angrily to car horns, and ended the event early. Fish then guesses to parade participants reconvened in a bar, makes light of the entire event and the people involved, and states that an organizer would appear in the local media.

One of the organizers has threatened to go on local TV (in drag, no doubt) and complain on the local news.  Let's see how big an audience he gets. [22]

Over two years later, Fish copied and pasted paragraphs the first part of the blog, "On the suicide threat:" in a Facebook post with added commentary and conclusions.

One of the running arguments for castrating kids is supposedly expert psychologists claiming that if the kids don't get the "gender affirmative care" they're asking for, they'll commit suicide. Rrrrright. I can't believe so many adults have fallen for this trick! I learned better when I was five years old...Threatening suicide, cutting oneself, emotional blackmail -- they're tactics, pure and simple, and of course they can be played by either team. Recognize this, and don't fall for the tricks -- no matter who's playing them. [23]

In another blog post from May of 2023, Fish proclaims transphobia to not exist, and insists that a 'persistent thread of subtle contempt running through the current "transgender movement".' Again, given evidence and "proof" is either anecdotal, gleaned from misinformation, or exaggerated claims of universal experience; 'We've all seen examples of men who transitioned, then joined women's sports teams and flattened the competition.  We've all heard of male convicted felons who "identified" as female, got themselves sent to women's prisons, and then raped the women there at their leisure.' She concludes by claiming that the transgender community both pressures lesbian women to transition and bullies cis women [24] In "EUPHEMISM, EUPHEMISM" Fish lists phrases she dislikes with her preferred terms, which she states are the "accurate definitions" including '“Progressive” – any policy that opposes anything listed in the Bill of Rights', '“Gender-Affirming Care” – Castration, surgical reshaping and hormone-dosing of a child or adult to make him/her resemble a member of the opposite sex.', '“Racism” – Any argument or action contrary to the wishes of anybody with a skin at least one shade darker than the subject’s.', “Drag Queen” – A peculiar man who gets a thrill out of mocking women by dressing and acting like the most blatant form of female whore.' [25]

Albums

All Off Centaur Publications, Firebird Arts & Music and Wail Songs albums are cassettes; all Random Factors albums are CDs except as noted. All Off Centaur albums are out of print (OOP) as of 1988 unless reissued; all Wail Songs albums are OOP as of c. 1999. All Fish solo albums from Firebird are OOP as of 1995. [26]

(Fish appears as singer, player, composer and/or lyricist on most of the Off Centaur anthology tapes (including A Wolfrider's Reflections, reissued by Richard & Wendy Pini on their own label, also OOP), on many of the Firebird Mercedes Lackey anthology albums, and on a number of convention live albums from Conglomeration, DAG, Off Centaur, Wail Songs and others; she also appears on the anthology The Pegasus Winners ("Love Songs"; OOP).)

Books

Short stories

The following short stories were produced as part of the Merovingen Nights series of science fiction books. The series was edited by C. J. Cherryh.

The following short stories appeared in the War World series, a shared universe created by Jerry Pournelle: [27]

Fanzine article

Writing as F. Sigmund Mead, "A Summary of the Physiological Roots of Andorian Culture" (Journal of Xenoanthropology, June 2341), edited by Leslie Fish. Fictional article on Andorian culture first published in Sehlat's Roar No. 2, a Star Trek fanzine of the 1970s, published by Randy Ash. [28]

Awards

Pegasus Awards

Other awards

References

  1. 1 2 "Leslie Fish Links". Archived from the original on March 3, 2016. Retrieved February 7, 2014.
  2. FilKONtario. Filk Hall of Fame: Leslie Fish – 1995 Archived November 24, 2009, at the Wayback Machine
  3. Creasey, John; Creasey, Mary, eds. (2001). The Bastard Children of Argo. Random Factors. Archived from the original (8 1/2 x 11, comb binding) on April 1, 2016. Retrieved August 2, 2016. (82 songs)
  4. Gold, Lee, ed. (June 2002). Xenofilkia No. 83 – Bastard Grandchildren of Argo (8 1/2 x 11, stapled). Los Angeles, California, United States: Xenofilkia. Retrieved August 2, 2016. Special issue of bimonthly magazine Xenofilkia (20 songs)
  5. Mailander, Jane (2007). "Appendix B – Inside Jokes in Filk Fandom". FILKING 101: The Folk Music of Science Fiction. Archived from the original on February 21, 2014. Leslie Fish's song honoring the Apollo 11 mission; it embodies the hope of the space program. The anthem of filk singing. Always sung with respect and solemnity. Many filkers actually insist on standing at attention during this song.
  6. Filk Hall Of Fame Inductees and Citations – 1995–1997 Archived November 9, 2007, at the Wayback Machine
  7. Launius, Roger D. Got Filk? Lament for Apollo in Modern Science Fiction Folk Music, IAC-04-IAA.6.16.1.06, presented at the 55th International Astronautical Congress of the International Astronautical Federation, the International Academy of Astronautics, and the International Institute of Space Law, Vancouver, Canada, Oct. 4–8, 2004
  8. Leslie Fish [ permanent dead link ]
  9. Finding the Future: A Science Fiction Conversation (2004) (V) [ permanent dead link ]
  10. Leslie Fish Lyrics
  11. Leslie Fish: Autobiography
  12. Larry Niven Bibliography Archived December 29, 2010, at the Wayback Machine Leslie Fish [identified with] Character Jenny Trout Page 114
  13. 1 2 Walker, Jesse (2005-06-09) American Anarchist, Reason
  14. "Fan Haven community grows in Arizona desert". SCAtoday.net. Archived from the original on April 15, 2017. Retrieved April 14, 2017.
  15. "'Fan Haven 2', Leslie Fish". The Diggings. February 11, 2016. Retrieved August 2, 2016. The last action for this claim—land status checked—occurred on March 3, 1998. Information on the claim was last updated on February 11, 2016.
  16. "'Fan Haven 4', Leslie Fish". The Diggings. February 11, 2016. Retrieved August 2, 2016. The last action for this claim—land status checked—occurred on March 3, 1998. Information on the claim was last updated on February 11, 2016.
  17. Shapero, Kay. "Fans, Pagans, SCAdians Wanted to help buy land for a Fan-Haven". Kay Shapero's Website. Kay Shapero. Archived from the original on February 18, 2006. Retrieved August 2, 2016.
  18. Fish, Leslie (August 25, 2011). "rec.music.filk: Congratulations, Leslie Fish!". Google Groups. p. 5. Retrieved August 2, 2016. I'll be getting married on November 13, to my old Berkeley Pagan buddy, Rasty Bob Ralston.
  19. "Leslie Fish on Cat Breeding..." Archived May 22, 2013, at the Wayback Machine . Excerpted from an autobiographical letter by Leslie Fish (Fall 1992. Edited by Mary Creasey). Retrieved March 24, 2013.
  20. "LeslieBard: The Stuggling Orchard". June 4, 2018.[ permanent dead link ]
  21. Fish, Leslie. "Random Notes on the Transgender Craze". Goodreads. Retrieved August 27, 2025.
  22. Fish, Leslie. "Random Notes on the Transgender Craze". Goodreads. Retrieved August 27, 2025.
  23. Fish, Leslie (August 27, 2025). "Facebook Profile". Facebook.
  24. Fish, Leslie (May 7, 2023). "Transphobia Does Not Exist". Goodreads. Retrieved August 28, 2025.
  25. Fish, Leslie. "EUPHEMISM, EUPHEMISM". Goodreads. Retrieved August 28, 2025.
  26. Notes on albums from personal collection and company records, Mary Creasey of Random Factors.
  27. Bibliography of Jerry Pournelle's Future History
  28. The Andor Files
  29. Gaalema, Steve; Grossberg, Michael (February 7, 2022). "A song of community and resistance to tyranny, and the novella it inspired: An appreciation of Leslie Fish's "The Horsetamer's Daughter" and "Tower of Horses," the 2014 Special Prometheus Award winner". Prometheus Blog. Retrieved March 13, 2023.