Tickle v Giggle

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Tickle v Giggle
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Court Federal Court of Australia
Full case name Roxanne Tickle v Giggle for Girls Pty Ltd
Decided23 August 2024
Case history
Appealed to Federal Court of Australia (Full Court)
Court membership
Judge sitting Robert Bromwich

Tickle v Giggle is an Australian federal legal case regarding the legality of the membership policies used on Giggle, a social media app for women. Giggle excluded trans women in their membership policy, and withdrew membership from Roxanne Tickle, a transgender woman from New South Wales, on that basis. In 2022, Tickle brought the case against Giggle, and in August 2024, the court found that Tickle had been indirectly discriminated against under Australia's Sex Discrimination Act, and ordered Giggle to pay costs of the case and damages. That finding was appealed both by Tickle and by Giggle's CEO, Sall Grover, with hearings on those appeals held in the Federal Court of Australia (NSW Registry) from August 4 to August 6 2025. As of August 2025, no date has been set for when a decision will be made.

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Background

In 2020, Sall Grover founded Giggle for Girls, a mobile app designed as a social networking platform for women that excluded trans women. [1] The name, Giggle, is described as a collective noun for women, [2] with the app presented as catering to women on the basis of sex assigned at birth, offering a safe online space for them to connect and find support in various areas such as finding roommates, freelancing, emotional support, and activism. [2] [3] Grover has said she was driven to develop a digital platform for women by her desire to guard against the advances of predatory men, a view that was informed by her experience with misogyny and sexual violence. [4]

The app's membership policies restricted access to adults assigned female at birth. [4] To verify users' birth sex, it relied on technology developed by Kairos, a company that offers facial recognition software. [4] [5] The software was criticised by Giggle users for failing to identify women of colour as female. [5]

The app was particularly criticised for excluding transgender women. [6] In response to criticism, Grover said that the exclusion of trans women was intentional, began self-identifying as a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, [5] and referred to trans women as "males". [7]

By 2021, the app reportedly had 20,000 users from 88 countries. [8] [9]

Grover decided to shut down the app in July 2022. [10] She has alleged that transgender activists have sent numerous rape threats and death threats in relation to the app's membership policy. [11]

Case timeline

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