Thought 'Ya Knew

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Thought 'Ya Knew
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Studio album by
ReleasedJanuary 11, 1994 (1994-01-11)
Recorded1993
Genre
Length72:17
Label A&M
Producer
CeCe Peniston chronology
Finally / We Got a Love Thang: Remix Collection
(1992)
Thought 'Ya Knew
(1994)
Remix Collection
(1994)
Singles from Thought 'Ya Knew
  1. "I'm in the Mood"
    Released: December 14, 1993
  2. "I'm Not Over You"
    Released: April 5, 1994
  3. "Hit by Love"
    Released: August 1994
  4. "Keep Givin' Me Your Love"
    Released: February 1995 (UK, April '94)

Thought 'Ya Knew is the second solo studio album by American singer-songwriter CeCe Peniston, released on January 11, 1994, by A&M Records, and on February 10 in Japan. [1] For this album, Peniston once again collaborated with Chicago-based producer Steve "Silk" Hurley, along with other producers Carsten Schack and Kenneth Karlin (better recognized as duo Soulshock & Karlin) from Denmark, David Morales, Sir Jinx, and on one track ("Forever in My Heart") also with the multiple Grammy Award-nominee Brian McKnight.

Contents

Deciding not to get pigeonholed into the dance genre, Peniston recorded several ballads for the album, trying to move into an R&B direction. Unlike its predecessor Finally , Peniston's second album was, therefore, a calculated mixture of pop ballads and R&B beats, though incorporating also other genres, such as jazz ("I'm in the Mood"), funk (I'm Not Over You"), reggae ("Through Those Doors") and gospel ("I Will Be Received").

The album received generally mixed reviews from music critics, and commercially, it proved to be a moderate success. Debuting on February 12, 1994, at number 102 on the Billboard 200, the album reached its peak a week later at number ninety-six, while spending nineteen weeks on the US chart in total. Overseas, the album entered the UK Albums Chart at number thirty-one, but charted for only two weeks there. Other territories included Switzerland (at number thirty-two), Japan (at number sixty-six), Netherlands (at number sixty-nine), and Germany (at number ninety-two).

Four official singles were released from the album, three of which entered the Billboard Hot 100, as well as the UK Singles Chart. All of them became successful on the dance chart, bringing Peniston two additional number one hits on the US Hot Dance Club Songs. In Japan, the album was shortly followed by Remix Collection , which featured alternate versions of songs issued on singles. It was reissued in Japan on September 11, 1996. [2] The album was not accompanied by a worldwide tour.

Critical reception

Professional ratings
Initial reviews (in 1994)
Review scores
SourceRating
Billboard (favorable) [3]
Chicago Reader (mixed) [4]
Entertainment Weekly B− [5]
Gavin Report (favorable) [6]
Music & Media (favorable) [7]
Music Week Star full.svgStar full.svgStar full.svgStar empty.svgStar empty.svg [8]
People (mixed) [9]
Select U+25A0.svgU+25A0.svgU+25A1.svgU+25A1.svgU+25A1.svg [10]
The Washington Post (favorable) [11]
Professional ratings
Retrospective reviews (after 1994)
Review scores
SourceRating
AllMusic Star full.svgStar full.svgStar full.svgStar empty.svgStar empty.svg [12]
Encyclopedia of Popular Music Star full.svgStar full.svgStar full.svgStar empty.svgStar empty.svg [13]

Thought 'Ya Knew received mainly mixed reviews. In terms of artistic achievement, dancefloor potential or chart performance, the album did not match the success of Peniston's debut album, Finally . Jose F. Promis from AllMusic, however, blamed the record label A&M for marketing the artist to an R&B audience, which he called the "big mistake". Giving the album three (out of five) stars, he highlighted especially "Hit by Love" as the song closer in spirit to Peniston's early dance hits, but he admitted that by that time of the single's release its "steam had worn off". [12] Billboard magazine wrote, "Miscast in the role of dance diva, singer's best work is grounded in hip-hop/R&B-oriented grooves, both up- and midtempo." [3]

Both critics, Martin Johnson from Chicago Reader and Johnny Huston from Entertainment Weekly agreed that the album's low points occurred on its ballads and that Peniston faltered on slower numbers. (Johnson also added that even Toni Braxton, who redefined the urban contemporary ballad, "would have trouble breathing life into them"). [4] While Huston noticed Patti LaBelle-influenced vocal stylings (on "Through Those Doors"), [5] Johnson recalled young Chaka Khan and stressed the pungent lower registers of the singer's voice (on "Searchin'"). [4] People magazine found the album's problem in Peniston's big-time pop success and her new need to be seen more serious than just a dance-music artist. Calling ballads "the ballads from hell", the magazine reproached that all the slow stuff did was focus on Peniston's vocal limitations. [9]

Chart performance

Track listing

Thought 'Ya Knew track listing
No.TitleWriter(s)Producer(s)Length
1."Searchin'"
S. Hurley3:43
2."I'm in the Mood (East 87th St. Mix)"
4:11
3."Hit by Love"
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
  • Schack
  • Karlin
  • Hansen
Soulshock & Karlin4:34
4."Whatever It Is"Sir Jinx4:35
5."Forever in My Heart"
McKnight4:47
6."I'm Not Over You"
S. Hurley4:18
7."Anyway You Wanna Go"
Dubuclet4:10
8."Give What I'm Givin'"
  • Peniston
  • Sir Jinx
  • Johny Rogers
  • Kymberli Armstrong
Sir Jinx4:01
9."Through Those Doors"
  • Levin
  • Celli
5:20
10."Let My Love Surround You"
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
Soulshock & Karlin 4:07
11."Keep Givin' Me Your Love"
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
  • Schack
  • Karlin
  • Hansen
Morales6:13
12."If You Love Me, I Will Love You"
  • Dubuclet
  • Tim Miner
Dubuclet4:29
13."Maybe It's the Way"
  • Peniston
  • Sir Jinx
  • Rogers
Sir Jinx5:49
14."I Will Be Received"
Wolf4:36
Total length:72:17
European and Japanese edition bonus track
No.TitleWriter(s)Producer(s)Length
15."I'm in the Mood" (Bad Yard Club)
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
  • Schack
  • Karlin
  • Hansen
  • Soulshock & Karlin
  • S. Hurley [a]
  • Morales [b]
7:23
UK, double vinyl edition bonus tracks
No.TitleWriter(s)Producer(s)Length
15."I'm in the Mood" (Bad Yard Edit)
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
  • Schack
  • Karlin
  • Hansen
  • Soulshock & Karlin
  • S. Hurley [a]
  • Morales [b]
4:11
16."I'm in the Mood" (Classic Mix)
  • Nikolas
  • Sibley
  • Schack
  • Karlin
  • Hansen
  • Soulshock & Karlin
  • S. Hurley [a]
  • Morales [b]
9:09
17."Searchin'" (Principle Theory Mix)
  • S. Hurley
  • T. Hurley
  • M-Doc
5:31
18."Searchin'" (Silky Fusion Mix)
  • S. Hurley
  • T. Hurley
  • M-Doc
S. Hurley7:13

Notes

Credits and personnel

Charts

References

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Specific

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