Belgium vs Netherlands Cups

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Coupe Vanden Abeele
Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker
Founded1904
Abolished1932
Region Low Countries (UEFA)
Number of teams2
Last championsFlag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium (15th title)
Most successful team(s)Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands (16 titles)

The Belgium vs Netherlands Cups were a series of international football friendly cup matches contested by the national teams of Belgium and the Netherlands. From their first unofficial friendly derbies in the early 1900s, until the mid-1920s, Belgium and the Netherlands competed for floating trophies. During the encounters in Belgium the teams played for the Coupe Vanden Abeele until 1925, while in the Netherlands they faced off for the Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker until 1923. [1] In total, there has been 39 Belgian-Dutch friendly cup duels, of which 35 were official internationals. [2]

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The cup awarded in Belgium was named in honor of the donator of the trophy, Frédéric Vanden Abeele Sr., the father of the secretary of Beerschot Athletic Club (where the first tournament was held), in reaction to the successful staging of Brussels of the Coupe Van der Straeten Ponthoz one year earlier. [3] As the Dutch disliked the design of the Belgian trophy, they quickly nicknamed it Het Koperen Dingetje, meaning "The Copper Thingy". [4]

These Belgian-Dutch friendly cups are among the oldest international football cups along with the 1904 Évence Coppée Trophy.

History

The first Belgium national team, 28 April 1901. Back from left: Harry Menzies (FC Liegeois), Georges Simon (Racing Club de Bruxelles), Fernand Defalle (goalkeeper - FC Liegeois), Hughes Ryan (Leopold CB), Gustave Pelgrims (Leopold CB), Charles Maggee (referee - Beerschot). Front from left: Herbert Potts (Beerschot), Jan Robyns (Beerschot), Ernest Gillon (RC de Brussels), Albert Friling (Captain - Beerschot), Lucien Londot (FC Liegeois), Walter Potts (Beerschot). BelgiumNFT1901.jpg
The first Belgium national team, 28 April 1901. Back from left: Harry Menzies (FC Liégeois), Georges Simon (Racing Club de Bruxelles), Fernand Defalle (goalkeeper - FC Liégeois), Hughes Ryan (Léopold CB), Gustave Pelgrims (Léopold CB), Charles Maggee (referee - Beerschot). Front from left: Herbert Potts (Beerschot), Jan Robyns (Beerschot), Ernest Gillon (RC de Brussels), Albert Friling (Captain - Beerschot), Lucien Londot (FC Liégeois), Walter Potts (Beerschot).

After the huge success of the first edition of the Coupe Van der Straeten Ponthoz in 1900, the plans for another international club tournament began, and in February 1901, the "Comité voor den beker-Vanden Abeele" invited a Dutch eleven to travel to Antwerp to contest the Coupe Vanden Abeele (offered by Frédéric Vanden Abeele) against an All-Belgium side during the Easter holiday. However, the Easter weekend was already planned for the second edition of the Coupe Van der Straeten Ponthoz in Brussels, so the match had to be delayed by three weeks, and since many Dutch clubs had league commitments on the new date, the Dutch team fell apart and the match was thus almost canceled. [4] However, the Antwerp football director Frédéric Vanden Abeele personally hired Cees van Hasselt, a former Sparta player and a tailor in Rotterdam who had traveled to Antwerp for this match, to quickly assemble a Dutch team to play the game. [5] The ones who took the initiative to play this match against Belgium were Van Hasselt and his friend Jirris, [6] the captain of Rotterdam club side Celeritas, a club from a third-level competition, and this squad was then strengthened by three players from another Rotterdam club, Olympia, which was also a third-level side. [4] Naturally, the hosts, whose team was announced as an All-Belgium XI and included four Englishmen resident in Belgium, had little trouble claiming the Coupe Vanden Abeele after an 8–0 victory, with the star of the match being the English man Herbert Potts, who netted 7 of the Belgian goals. [4] Although the dirigents of this cup only intended to create another international club tournament, they instead had just witnessed what is now considered the first-ever (unofficial) match between Belgium and the Netherlands, held on 28 April 1901 at the ground of Beerschot A.C. in front of just 300 people. This match took place a year earlier than the first official international match played in continental Europe between Austria and Hungary on 12 October 1902. [7]

The next three editions saw the Dutch represented by sides selected and organized by Cees van Hasselt. As a result of the games not being sanctioned by the Royal Dutch Football Association (KNVB), only players from the second division were available to Van Hasselt, so Belgium also won those three editions, although with more leveled scores (1–0, 2–1 and 6–4). [8] Neither team can be considered a full national team since the Netherlands was only represented by players from South Netherlands and also because the match was not yet played under the auspices of the KNVB, while the Belgium squad had the presence of English players in the "Belgian" squad such as center-forward Herbert Potts, who scored 12 of "Belgium's" 17 goals. [4] Likewise, in those games the Netherlands was announced under the name of "Van Hasselt XI", while the hosts were announced as an All-Belgian League XI.

In 1905 the Dutch football federation decided to take direct responsibility for the selection of the Dutch side, and so, on 30 April 1905, the Netherlands national team played their first official international game, beating Belgium 4–1 in Antwerp, courtesy of a four-goal haul from Eddy de Neve, thus winning the Coupe Vanden Abeele for the first time. [9] Belgium was the first ever opponent of the Netherlands, but the opposite can't be said as Belgium's official debut came on 1 May 1904 against France at Évence Coppée Trophy. [10]

Coupe Vanden Abeele

Unofficial Results (1901–1904)

The earliest four games played by a national selection of players active in Belgium, with the Netherlands as opponent between 1901 and 1904, were not yet considered as official because of the presence of English players in the "Belgian" squad. [11] [12]

1901

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg 8–0 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Netherlands B ("van Hasselt XI")
H. Potts Soccerball shade.svg?', ?', ?', ?', ?', ?', ?'
W. Potts Soccerball shade.svg?'
Report
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 300
Referee: Charles Maggee

1902

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–0Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
W. Potts Soccerball shade.svg Report
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium

1903

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg2–1Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Blanchard Soccerball shade.svg1–1'
H. Potts Soccerball shade.svg2–1'
Report Lotsy Soccerball shade.svg0–1'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium

1904

Belgium had originally announced to field an exclusively Belgian squad, but eventually replaced Paul Chibert (injured) by Herbert Potts, who contributed decisively in Belgium's win, scoring four goals.

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg6–4Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
H. Potts Soccerball shade.svg1–0', 2–1', 4–2', 6–4'
Feye Soccerball shade.svg3–2', 5–4'
Report Bekker Soccerball shade.svg1–1'
Kamperdijk Soccerball shade.svg2–2'
Van den Berg Soccerball shade.svg3–4'
Wollenberg Soccerball shade.svg4–4'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Referee: Herbert Willing (Netherlands)

Official Results (1905–1925)

1905

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–4 (a.e.t.)Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Stom Soccerball shade.svg86' (o.g.) Report de Neve Soccerball shade.svg80', 106', 117', 119'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 800
Referee: Frank König (Belgium)

1906

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg5–0Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Vanden Eynde Soccerball shade.svg15'
Goetinck Soccerball shade.svg40'
De Veen Soccerball shade.svg52', 68', 80'
Report
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 2,000
Referee: Pat Harrower (England)

1907

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–3 (a.e.t.)Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Feye Soccerball shade.svg13' Report Van Gogh Soccerball shade.svg74', 118'
Feith Soccerball shade.svg99'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 2,500
Referee: Pat Harrower (England)

1908

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–4Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Vertongen Soccerball shade.svg81' Report Ruffelse Soccerball shade.svg12'
Thomée Soccerball shade.svg50', 74'
De Korver Soccerball shade.svg85'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 2,000
Referee: Pat Harrower (England)

1909

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–4Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Poelmans Soccerball shade.svg63' Report Snethlage Soccerball shade.svg11'
Kessler Soccerball shade.svg19'
Welcker Soccerball shade.svg38'
Lutjens Soccerball shade.svg79'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 6,000
Referee: Thomas Kyle (England)

1910

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg3–2 (a.e.t.)Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
De Veen Soccerball shade.svg19', 24'
Six Soccerball shade.svg119'
Report Lutjens Soccerball shade.svg21'
Kessler Soccerball shade.svg26'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 8,500

1911

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–5Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Paternoster Soccerball shade.svg78' Report M. Francken Soccerball shade.svg8', 36', 55'
Thomée Soccerball shade.svg83'
Welcker Soccerball shade.svg88'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 12,000
Referee: Thomas Campbell (England)

1912

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–2Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Nisot Soccerball shade.svg60' Report Thomée Soccerball shade.svg58', 72'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 9,225
Referee: Charles Crisp (England)

1913

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg3–3Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
De Veen Soccerball shade.svg17', 29'
Nisot Soccerball shade.svg30'
Report Bosschart Soccerball shade.svg1'
Haak Soccerball shade.svg44'
M. Francken Soccerball shade.svg63'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 12,000

1914

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg2–4Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Brébart Soccerball shade.svg18' (pen.) Report Kessler Soccerball shade.svg32', 74'
Westra Soccerball shade.svg63'
J. Francken Soccerball shade.svg80'
Beerschot A.C. ground, Antwerp, Belgium
Attendance: 20,000

1921

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–1Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Bragard Soccerball shade.svg49' Report Kessler Soccerball shade.svg60'
Attendance: 30,000
Referee: Charles Barette (Belgium)

1922

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg4–0Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Larnoe Soccerball shade.svg14', 86'
Vandevelde Soccerball shade.svg37'
Coppée Soccerball shade.svg47'
Report
Attendance: 40,000
Referee: Claud Newman (England)

1924

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg1–1Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Thys Soccerball shade.svg78' Report Visser Soccerball shade.svg74'
Attendance: 30,000
Referee: Harry Kingscott (England)

1925

Belgium  Flag of Belgium (civil).svg0–1Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands
Report van Baar van Slangenburgh Soccerball shade.svg64'
Attendance: 30,000
Referee: Harry Kingscott (England)

Coupe Vanden Abeele Statistics

Record

TeamPldWDLGFGADif
Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 143382534-9
Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 148333425+9

All-time top scorers

RankNameTeamGoalsTournament(s)
1 Flag of Belgium (civil).svg Robert De Veen Belgium 71906 (3), 1910 (2) and 1913 (2)
2 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Jan Thomée Netherlands 51908 (2), 1911 (1) and 1912 (2)
Flag of the Netherlands.svg Mannes Francken 1911 (3) and 1913 (1)
4 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Eddy de Neve 41905 (4)
Flag of the Netherlands.svg Dé Kessler 1910 (1), 1914 (2) and 1921 (1)

Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker

Official Results (1905–1923)

1905

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg4–0Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Hesselink Soccerball shade.svg74'
de Neve Soccerball shade.svg76' (pen.), 84'
Lutjens Soccerball shade.svg80'
Report
Schuttersveld ground, Rotterdam, Netherlands
Attendance: 30,000
Referee: Henry Vermeulen (Netherlands)

1906

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg2–3Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Muller Soccerball shade.svg32'
Van der Vinne Soccerball shade.svg54'
Report Cambier Soccerball shade.svg76', 88'
Destrebecq Soccerball shade.svg81'
Schuttersveld , Rotterdam, Netherlands
Attendance: 7,000
Referee: Frank König (Belgium)

1907

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg1–2Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Feith Soccerball shade.svg54' Report Feye Soccerball shade.svg14'
Goetinck Soccerball shade.svg60'
De Hout , Haarlem, Netherlands
Attendance: 10,000
Referee: Ernest Holland (England)

1908

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg3–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Snethlage Soccerball shade.svg17'
Thomée Soccerball shade.svg31' (pen.), 60' (pen.)
Report Saeys Soccerball shade.svg90'
Prinsenlaan , Rotterdam, Netherlands
Attendance: 6,000
Referee: Jack Howcroft (England)

1909

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg4–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Lutjens Soccerball shade.svg2'
Snethlage Soccerball shade.svg21', 32', 54'
Report Goossens Soccerball shade.svg58'
Prinsenlaan , Rotterdam, Netherlands
Attendance: 10,000
Referee: Jack Howcroft (England)

1910

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg7–0Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Welcker Soccerball shade.svg10', 28'
M. Francken Soccerball shade.svg15', 45', 62'
Thomée Soccerball shade.svg55', 80'
Report
De Hout , Haarlem, Netherlands

1911

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg3–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
M. Francken Soccerball shade.svg28', 76'
van Breda Kolff Soccerball shade.svg29'
Report Six Soccerball shade.svg36'
Attendance: 9,000
Referee: George Miller (England)

1912

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg4–3Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
van Berckel Soccerball shade.svg1'
M. Francken Soccerball shade.svg2', 20', 62'
Report Musch Soccerball shade.svg27'
Nisot Soccerball shade.svg43', 56'
Attendance: 10,000
Referee: John Pearson (England)

1913

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg2–4Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Bouvy Soccerball shade.svg35' (pen.)
de Groot Soccerball shade.svg55'
Report Suetens Soccerball shade.svg2'
Musch Soccerball shade.svg20', 40'
Nisot Soccerball shade.svg36'
Attendance: 12,000
Referee: John Baily (England)

1914

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg4–2Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Buitenweg Soccerball shade.svg15', 81'
Vos Soccerball shade.svg24'
Kessler Soccerball shade.svg62'
Report Van Cant Soccerball shade.svg37'
Nisot Soccerball shade.svg40'
Attendance: 28,282
Referee: John Pearson (England)

1922

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg1–2Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Bulder Soccerball shade.svg88' Report Dénis Soccerball shade.svg8' (o.g.)
Michel Soccerball shade.svg42'
Attendance: 29,730
Referee: Louis Fourgous (France)

1923

Netherlands  Flag of the Netherlands.svg1–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium
Heijnen Soccerball shade.svg68' Report Thys Soccerball shade.svg34'
Attendance: 30,000
Referee: Ernst Albihn (Sweden)

Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker Statistics

Record

TeamPldWDLGFGADif
Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 2155113555-20
Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 2111555535+20

All-time top scorers

RankNameTeamGoalsTournament(s)
1 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Mannes Francken Netherlands 81910 (3), 1911 (2) and 1912 (3)
2 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Edu Snethlage 41908 (1) and 1909 (3)
Flag of the Netherlands.svg Jan Thomée 1908 (2) and 1910 (2)
Flag of Belgium (civil).svg Fernand Nisot Belgium 1912 (1), 1913 (2) and 1914 (1)
5 Flag of Belgium (civil).svg Joseph Musch 31912 (1) and 1913 (2)

General statistics

Overall record

Belgium-Netherlands Cup Record
CompetitionPlayedResultsGoals
BelgiumDrawNetherlandsBelgiumNetherlands
Flag of Belgium (civil).svg 1905–25 Coupe Vanden Abeele 143*382534
Flag of the Netherlands.svg 1905–23 Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker 2155113555
Total358*8196089
* Excluding the four trophies between 1901 and 1904 won by a 'Belgian' selection, as these matches are unofficial.

General all-time top scorers

RankNameTeamGoalsTournament(s)
1 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Mannes Francken Netherlands 12CVA (4) and RNB (8)
Flag of England.svg Herbert Potts Belgium CVA (12)
2 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Jan Thomée Netherlands 9CVA (5) and RNB (4)
3 Flag of Belgium (civil).svg Robert De Veen Belgium 7CVA (7)
4 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Eddy de Neve Netherlands 6CVA (4) and RNB (2)
Flag of Belgium (civil).svg Fernand Nisot Belgium CVA (2) and RNB (4)
6 Flag of the Netherlands.svg Dé Kessler Netherlands 5CVA (4) and RNB (1)
Flag of the Netherlands.svg Edu Snethlage CVA (1) and RNB (4)

Hat-tricks

Since the first official tournament in 1905, a total of 6 hat-tricks have been scored in the 35 official cups. The first hat-trick was scored by Eddy de Neve of Netherlands, scoring 4 goals in a 4-1 win at the Coupe Vanden Abeele on 30 April 1905; and the last was by Mannes Francken, netting three goals also for the Netherlands in a 4-3 win at the Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker on 28 April 1912. The record for the most goals scored in a single match is 4, which has been achieved on just one occasion: by the Dutch Eddy de Neve at the 1904 Coupe Vanden Abeele, with three of his goals coming in extra-time. However, if we also include the unofficial matches, then the record is held by the Englishmen Herbert Potts of Belgium, who netted a whopping seven goals in an 8-0 win at the 1901 Coupe Vanden Abeele. Mannes Francken is the only player to have scored three hat-tricks in these friendly duels, two at RNBs (1910 and 1912) and one at the CVA (1911), which is a remarkable achievement since no one else has even scored two, sept for Herbert Potts if the unofficial games are considered. The Netherlands holds the record for most hat-tricks scored with 5, while Belgium only has 1, which was scored by Robert De Veen. On the other hand, the cups are perfectly balanced on hat-tricks, with each having three.

List

Belgium vs Netherlands Cup hat-tricks
#PlayerGTime of goalsForResultAgainstTournamentDateFIFA
report
. Herbert Potts 7?', ?', ?', ?', ?', ?', ?'Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 8–0Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 1901 Coupe Vanden Abeele28 April 1901
. Herbert Potts (2)4?', ?', ?', ?'6–41904 Coupe Vanden Abeele3 January 1904
1. Eddy de Neve 480', 106', 117', 119'Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 4–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 1905 Coupe Vanden Abeele30 April 1905
2. Robert De Veen 352', 68', 80'Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 7–1Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 1906 Coupe Vanden Abeele29 April 1906
3. Edu Snethlage 321', 32', 54'Flag of the Netherlands.svg  Netherlands 4–1Flag of Belgium (civil).svg  Belgium 1909 Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker25 April 1909
4. Mannes Francken 315', 45', 62'7–01910 Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker10 April 1910
5. Mannes Francken (2)38', 36', 55'5–11911 Coupe Vanden Abeele19 March 1911
6. Mannes Francken (3)32', 20', 62'4–31912 Rotterdamsch Nieuwsblad Beker28 April 1912

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